Curse

xDusT II · Nov 17, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Huge dps? Are you frigging human? He can't do a shit with "his huge dps" if he can't hit you. Second of all, so what if it's easy to play? The newbs will swam over it sure, but newbs are still newbs, lambs to the slaugther. Seasoned pvp players doesn't need an easy build, they have their favorite builds and they can easily adopt to new changes.

This is one of the most stupidest things I've ever read. Watch observer and you'll see pretty much every guild in the top 50 running the WE bar because they know it's mindless and near impossible the stuff up.

Also I'm pretty sure people have tried anti-melee, gathering that that is generally what defence is made up of. I'm also pretty sure that just because a skillbar has an overarching counter that affects the whole profession, doesn't prevent that bar from being bad for the game.

Dmitri3 · Nov 17, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Bah, I give up on this conversation. First, everyone says AP from strength is useless, but now it's "overpowered"...

The conclusion of this thread is: everyone thinks he or she is a genius and that everyone else is stupid/insane/inexperienced for not having same opinion as the "genius".
Not a rule, but a general guide.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

No I'm pretty sure we think Warrior's Endurance is overpowered because it breaks the Warrior. Warrior's are balanced around adrenaline, not energy, and even other classes too because the Warrior has more armor than they do and because he's spamming attack skills the DPS from AP will come really really close to the damage from Crit Strikes while having more armor, so you have two options:
-Nerf Warrior's Endurance (hey guy there's other skills besides Power Attack sorry!)
-Nerf all Energy attacks in the game.

now which do you think affects diversity more

Just cause everyone is not running Shock Axe anymore doesn't mean the diversity of warriors is at stake. On the contrary, new way to gain energy for warriors is opening new doors. Once again, you (or at least the majority of QQ's here) are complaining about the spam from Power Attack+Protector's Strike while being powered by Warrior's Endurance. Lowering the damage output of those skills so they compare to the rest of non-elite energy skills is the way to go (either by damage or recharge).

I didn't see you complaining about WE warriors spamming scythe/sword/axe/hammer/daggers energy attacks... so don't ever start.

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Once again, I'm not participating in this thread anymore... So if you want to point out a flaw in my reasoning, do it here. But if you actually want me to answer back, you'd have to pm me. I'd still get a good laugh of all people trying to pull all the things on me here though since I'm not gonna answer them.

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

no u

IMMORTAlMITCH · Nov 17, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Out of the 2 people religiously defending WE throughout this thread, 1 uses AB/RA to enforce his arguments and admits that he doesn't play GvG or even tombs and the other guy, despite his infinite wisdom and mad gw skillz hasn't actually managed to have positive rating, let alone be on the ladder.

I rest my case.

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When I say 'WE is imbalanced', I'm talking about the commonly used template(s) rather than the skill in isolation, Warrior's Endurance + Power Attack + Protector's Strike is the combination that's problematic.

This issue could be tackled in several ways, reducing the energy gain of WE (by decreasing the energy gain per attack, duration, or increasing the recharge etc.) or increasing the recharge of Power Attack and Prot Strike (This would reduce the bar's ability to pressure but wouldn't really hurt it's ability to spike every 5-7 seconds) or a combination of both.

The same applied to ED, the skill ED might have gotten nerfed, the template without ED and with a different elite is still broken.

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

I didn't see you complaining about WE warriors spamming scythe/sword/axe/hammer/daggers energy attacks... so don't ever start.

No one is complaining about non WE warriors using Power Attack and/or Protector's Strike either, what's your point?

Btw, the only WE bar(s) that I consider to be overpowered are bars that follow this template:

[build prof=w/ axe=12+1+1 str=12][dismember][power attack][protector's strike][frenzy][warrior's endurance][no skill][no skill][no skill][/build]

The W/D Scythe bar is decent but not broken, and I have yet to see a good WE bar for Sword, Hammer and Daggers.

DarkNecrid · Nov 17, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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I didn't see you complaining about WE warriors spamming scythe/sword/axe/hammer/daggers energy attacks... so don't ever start.

That's probably because I'm complaining about Warrior Endurance as a skill which encompasses all the sub-classes in it. They're all bad.

Shendaar · Nov 17, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Huge dps? Are you frigging human? He can't do a shit with "his huge dps" if he can't hit you. Second of all, so what if it's easy to play? The newbs will swam over it sure, but newbs are still newbs, lambs to the slaugther. Seasoned pvp players doesn't need an easy build, they have their favorite builds and they can easily adopt to new changes.

For the 100th time, try to think for once?

And my new favorite build you are saying? Haha you acutally have a talent for making people laugh, Grats.

But really, there are a billion ways to play warrior, WE is just one of them, one that lacks everything except power.(yay?)

And yes, if you're not mentally challenged then you're born a retard, in the end I will emerge right and you? Needless to say anything about that........

Yes, Huge DPS. I'm pretty sure if a WE can't hit his target, then neither will a Shock Axe. The difference is that the WE can switch target and maintain DPS a lot easier than a Shock Axe. It helps a lot that 3 out of your 4 attacks skills recharge themselves while you are acquiring a new target.

From what you posted above, you clearly have no idea how to play this game so you should stop posting to not embarrass yourself more.

Stoella · Nov 17, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

There's a reason why you cannot spam Executionner's : Adrenaline. There's a reason why you cannot spam Power attack and Protector's strike : Energy. That being said, it becomes overpowered to make the spam of either of them possible. And dont bitch about "it's normal that an elite makes it possible", there is no elite that can build Adrenaline at the same rate Power/Protector's recharge.
As said before, Warriors are balanced around Adrenaline. This kind of energy spam is not balanced.

RoF · Nov 17, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

imo just nerf the recharge times on power attack and protecters. So that it's closer to the ammount of time it takes a "good" warrior to charge adren.

la_cabra_de_vida · Nov 17, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by RoF

imo just nerf the recharge times on power attack and protecters. So that it's closer to the ammount of time it takes a "good" warrior to charge adren.

Or you know, just revert WE back to a stance and leave skills that were already balance as they are.

Snow Bunny · Nov 17, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I normally enjoy arguing with Mitch, but he's right.

Stop defending WE; it's broken shit.

Byron · Nov 17, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

It might be broken if your typical WE guy could land a bull's half the time.

1-2-3-4! Why aren't you dead?!?!

Div · Nov 17, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Out of the 2 people religiously defending WE throughout this thread, 1 uses AB/RA to enforce his arguments and admits that he doesn't play GvG or even tombs and the other guy, despite his infinite wisdom and mad gw skillz hasn't actually managed to have positive rating, let alone be on the ladder.

Elitist noob! Bad players have feelings too!

IMMORTAlMITCH · Nov 17, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I normally enjoy arguing with Mitch, but he's right.

I'm normally right too, but you still argue with me.

Magikarp · Nov 17, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Elitist noob! Bad players have feelings too!

It's funny to make fun of other players, right?

Snow Bunny · Nov 18, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

I'm normally right too, but you still argue with me.

I'll let you have 50% of the time.

AKB48 · Nov 18, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

This is one of the most stupidest things I've ever read. Watch observer and you'll see pretty much every guild in the top 50 running the WE bar because they know it's mindless and near impossible the stuff up.

Also I'm pretty sure people have tried anti-melee, gathering that that is generally what defence is made up of. I'm also pretty sure that just because a skillbar has an overarching counter that affects the whole profession, doesn't prevent that bar from being bad for the game.

yea I'm sure everyone who pvp are in the top 50 guilds and are mindless people who say “Oh here is an easy build to play, let's play it!” no doubt about that.
And btw, instead of calling me stupid, think how “smart” you are yourself. Yes, all defense is anti-melee, no doubt, screw the eles/rangers/paragons, its the warriors/devs. who really count.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Nov 18, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by AKB48

yea I'm sure everyone who pvp are in the top 50 guilds and are mindless people who say “Oh here is an easy build to play, let's play it!” no doubt about that.

No, they say "Oh here is an overpowered build, let's play it!" the fact that it also happens to be easy is just icing on the cake.

Killed u man · Nov 18, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

We are you fighting over the top 50 GvG mentality?

99% of this thread is one GvG shitter telling another GvG shitter he's bad. With every now and then a guy trying to bring the thread back on track, just to get called a shitter himself for not letting the GvG-shitters shit at eachother...

Some facts off-topic:

-> People, regardless of rank and skill, will always run overpowered builds. Giving yourself a disadvantage in PvE, or low-end PvP (Incl HA) barely matters, concidering other people are generally so bad, your "skill" will make up for the "build" you lack.
In GvG, where everyone is atleast experienced and half-decent, "skill" will only get you 50% of Victory. Build will be the other 50%, and ever since NF/recent skill updates, build is well over "half" the victory.

-> People generally sucking at an overpowered build doesn't make it less overpowered. Yes, a dog can play Warrior's Endurance (Glue his toes to C and Space, and then his other leg on the numerical keys), and yes, he won't be able to kill alot, that doesn't change the fact that, as said before, this build is far to effective for the skill required to run it.

On topic:

-> Increasing recharge on Power Attack and Protecters Strike don't fix sheit. If you can't see that Warrior's spamming energy skills is the real problem, you shouldn''t post here.
-> Reducing damage on either skills don't fix sheit either, concidering there is other "free" dervish "melee" attacks, or even scythe attacks, that can somewhat match current DPS, if alone spike damage.

The core of this problem is, believe it or not, Warrior's Endurance. (OMG, can U believe the ELITE skill, the name of this thread, the skill that got buffed, every since the QQ'ing about it began)
So why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you arguining on "how to nerf" Power attack and/or prot strike. I fail to see how they were overpowered BEFORE WE...

If you want to fix WE, you'll need to fix WE. And doing so is quite easy, just toy around with some energy numbers, and your problem is fixed.

Will it be useless then?
Yes, most likely, but then again, Warriors arn't made to spam Energy skills. An elite allowing them to do so is, and always will be, overpowered, regardless of what context, build or format you put it in...

The same way caster DPS is limited alot by aftercast, warrior DPS is limited by energy/adrenaline. GL trying to balance Casterspam after they remove aftercast...

lord of all tyria · Nov 18, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

It's funny to make fun of other players, right?

Um...yes?

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Whammo · Nov 19, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

-> Increasing recharge on Power Attack and Protecters Strike don't fix sheit. If you can't see that Warrior's spamming energy skills is the real problem, you shouldn''t post here.
-> Reducing damage on either skills don't fix sheit either, concidering there is other "free" dervish "melee" attacks, or even scythe attacks, that can somewhat match current DPS, if alone spike damage.

The core of this problem is, believe it or not, Warrior's Endurance. (OMG, can U believe the ELITE skill, the name of this thread, the skill that got buffed, every since the QQ'ing about it began)
So why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you arguining on "how to nerf" Power attack and/or prot strike. I fail to see how they were overpowered BEFORE WE...

If you want to fix WE, you'll need to fix WE. And doing so is quite easy, just toy around with some energy numbers, and your problem is fixed.

Will it be useless then?
Yes, most likely, but then again, Warriors arn't made to spam Energy skills. An elite allowing them to do so is, and always will be, overpowered, regardless of what context, build or format you put it in...

The same way caster DPS is limited alot by aftercast, warrior DPS is limited by energy/adrenaline. GL trying to balance Casterspam after they remove aftercast...

^this, and can we plz close the thread now

Zabe · Nov 19, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Whammo

^this, and can we plz close the thread now

Why cant we quote like in QQ ;<